印尼为中美冲突做好准备!

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随着中美两国在整个亚洲的权力斗争愈演愈烈,印尼也面临着从中国称霸地区到冷战白热化的巨大威胁。在新加坡举行的香格里拉对话会上,印尼顶级外交政策分析家之一杜伊-福尔图纳-安瓦尔(Dewi Fortuna Anwar)阐述了印尼不结盟的世界观,以及印尼为何在寻求与美国建立更紧密的军事关系的同时,又与中国发展稳固的经济关系。

印尼为中美冲突做好准备!

印尼为中美冲突做好准备!

Raulsaquilayan
10小时前
The Indonesian lady is absolutely right, the only solution to the problem is follow the International law and every nation must have contentment for the resources and enjoy what they have

印尼女士说得很对,解决问题的唯一办法是遵守国际法,每个国家都必须对资源感到满意,并享受他们所拥有的!


Greedyinvader
8小时前
The west talked about international law? Ask iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, palestine about that

西方谈国际法?问问伊拉克、阿富汗、利比亚和巴勒斯坦吧。


Patay
12小时前
Philippines should just allow more US bases in the Philippines.

菲律宾应该允许美国在菲律宾建立更多基地。


Toppyctp
11小时前
If you are being bullied inside your own territory by a much bigger entity…you’re going to ask for external help right?…This is what will happen to the rest of ASEAN countries…China should rethink their actions at SCS…PH have to right to ask for alliances with like minded counties like US, Japan, Australia & India and No one should question that…

如果你在自己的领土上被一个更大的实体欺负......你会寻求外部帮助,对吗?......这就是东盟其他国家会发生的事情......中国应该反思他们在南海的行动......菲律宾有权要求与美国、日本、澳大利亚和印度等志同道合的国家结盟,没有人应该质疑这一点。


Infoseeker
11小时前
Obviously this is a game between heavyweights, more than really helping the Philippines.Having more US bases is an indication of escalation instead of more security. But it is fair to say Philippines can try to use the chance to see if they can get more benefits from the contest.

显然,这是一场重量级人物之间的博弈,而非真正帮助菲律宾。拥有更多的美国基地表明局势升级,而不是更安全。但可以说,菲律宾可以尝试利用这次机会,看看能否从比赛中获得更多利益。


There is definitely a risk in losing your sovereignty when US has their base in your country, since they're so strong that you cannot control what they'll do once they're in.  

当美国在你的国家拥有基地时,肯定会有丧失主权的风险,因为他们太强大了,一旦他们进入,你就无法控制他们会做什么。


Even Japan/Korea/Australia don't want to be detached from China and want to play a balancing act between the two big powers. Whether Philippines thinks it is better for them to be detached from China is a decision they need to consider.

即使是日本/韩国/澳大利亚也不想脱离中国,而是想在两个大国之间扮演平衡的角色。菲律宾是否认为脱离中国对他们更有利是他们需要考虑的决定。


Need to look at how much the US will give as sweeteners in the deal, in contrast to what you'll lose from China in aggravating the relationship, when they decide how much you want to switch to the US camp.

当他们决定要转投美国阵营时,需要看看美国在交易中会给多少甜头,而中国在恶化关系中会给你带来多少损失。


Cashcash
11小时前
You want another poxy? Like Ukraine?

你还想再来一次吗?比如乌克兰?


Paoloorate
8小时前
I wonder what would USA do if the whole fleet of Aircraft Carriers and Destroyers make the Gulf of Mexico their parking and tell that they have the right to go there coz its international waters and freedom of navigation. LOL.

我想知道,如果整个航空母舰和驱逐舰舰队都把墨西哥湾作为他们的停泊地,并说他们有权去那里,因为那里是国际水域,有航行自由,美国会怎么做。笑死我了。


Antongavutti
10小时前
when the wars begins, politicians give ammunition, the rich gave foods and the poor give their children. When the war end politicians shake hands, the rich raise foods price, and the poors look for the grave of their childrens.... ~ Serbian proverb

战争开始时,政客们送弹药,富人送食物,穷人送孩子。战争结束时,政客们握手言和,富人提高食品价格,穷人则为自己的孩子寻找坟墓....~ 塞尔维亚谚语


CN_SFY_General
12小时前
You need to look at history. The South China Sea was controlled by China more than 1000 years ago. China did not cede the South China Sea when it was fragile. China will not do so when it is not a weak country.

中国早在 1000 多年前就控制了南海。南海脆弱时,中国没有割让南海。当中国不是弱国时,也不会割让南海。


Albertteng
12小时前(修改过)
Thailand is now owned by the chinese. Thailand relies on china for its economic surviavl, china is also thailand biggest source of tourist.Thailand even allowed china to build a man made canal that will cut thru thailand's middle portion. This will provide an alternate route from the strait of malacca. Singapore and USA protested against thailand and so the project is now on hold

泰国现在归中国人所有。泰国的经济依赖于中国,中国也是泰国最大的游客来源国。泰国甚至允许中国修建一条人工运河,从泰国中部穿过。这将为马六甲海峡提供一条备用路线。新加坡和美国对泰国提出抗议,因此该项目现已搁置。


Singapore may say its aligned with the west but its media, and people (population dominated by chinese) says otherwise. So singapore allegiance is 50-50

新加坡可能会说它与西方结盟,但其媒体和人民(人口以华人为主)却不这么认为。因此,新加坡的忠诚度是一半一半。


Rufuspanjaitan
11小时前
US is so embarrassed showing his failures at such special time. American Boeing Starliner failed but Chinese Changer 6 launched on the moon successfully.

美国在如此特殊的时刻展示自己的失败,实在是太丢人了。美国波音公司的 “星际客机”失败了,而中国的 “嫦娥6 ”号却成功地登上了月球。


Jorgepilapi
10小时前
Yes, Thailand does not have a dispute with China but is Thailand just going to just sit and watch? Thailand is part of ASEAN right? this is already a global issue, all countries must take a stand on what is going on in this region.

是的,泰国与中国没有争端,但泰国会坐视不管吗?泰国是东盟的一部分,对吧?这已经是一个全球性的问题,所有国家都必须对这个地区正在发生的事情表明立场。


Mig-31K
10小时前
In fact, Thailand did not have the ability to fight because they had never been colonized before, so they could only watch while riding on the back of an elephant, which was the symbol of their country. Lol

事实上,泰国没有作战能力,因为他们从未被殖民过,所以只能骑在大象背上观望,而大象是他们国家的象征。哈哈~~


Arlenepeter
9小时前
That is exactly what happened, and what will happened... C has made the asean dependent to them.. Dependency means total submission...if one of the asean members resist c master plan to own the scs then this member surely needs help from their existing  alliance with in the indo pacific region or even others.

这就是已经发生和将要发生的事情......中国使东盟依附于他们。依附意味着完全屈服......如果东盟的某个成员国抵制中国拥有南海的总体计划,那么该成员国肯定需要与印度洋-太平洋地区或其他地区的现有联盟的帮助。


ASEAN was out from the colonial time,, but facing new threat of being colonized by an aspiring neighbourhood colonizer. What is the choice??

东盟已经摆脱了殖民时代,但又面临着被一个有抱负的邻国殖民者殖民的新威胁。该如何选择?


Tekinfomedi
9小时前
Take a stand on what? Telling both US and China to get lost from SCS?

表明什么立场?叫美国和中国都滚出南海?


Hellsehergauro
3小时前
When did China occupied other countries? Which countries?

中国何时占领过其他国家?哪些国家?


AlphaCookies
8小时前
yup, typical of western media.. keep asking the never ending question of China china china. they never asked about US or Europe's involvements in Ukkkraine. or they have been stealing resources from Indonesia.

是啊,典型的西方媒体,一直在问 “中国,中国”这个没完没了的问题,却从来没问过美国或欧洲在乌克兰的问题,也没问过他们从印尼窃取资源的问题。


Monikaortega
12小时前(修改过)
So Indonesia wants to sit in the fence and play safe. ... but at the same time , She says that China is the one that infringe on the rights of Asean Countries and bullying them.

因此,印尼希望坐收渔利......但同时,她又说,中国才是侵犯东盟国家权利并欺负它们的人。


Tekinfomedi
8小时前
Indonesia is also ambitious, so they'll not choose side but still doesn't want China to gain full control over SCS. If conflict cannot be avoided then Indonesia must fight for themselves otherwise they'll become like another East Indies.

印尼也有野心,所以他们不会选边站,但仍不希望中国完全控制南海。如果冲突无法避免,那么印尼就必须为自己而战,否则他们就会成为另一个东印度群岛。


ColoniaMurder
6小时前
Yes and No. Indonesia want to be a 3rd Pillar as they always been since 1961 Non-Aligned movement. Indonesia recognize China's infringement on fellow ASEAN countries border by China, however since Indonesia doesn't have any dispute with China their stance is Neutral but leaning toward ASEAN.

印尼希望成为第三支柱国家,因为自1961年不结盟运动以来,印尼一直是第三支柱国家。印尼承认中国侵犯了东盟国家的边界,但由于印尼与中国没有任何争端,因此印尼的立场是中立但倾向于东盟。


Zeroyuki
5小时前
1.Neutrality is in Indonesian national identity and Constitution.

1. 中立是印尼的国家认同和宪法。


2. China has a problem with us with SCS. EU has a problem with us in Nickel/Palm Oil trade controversy. US is the sole western country who continuously provides unconditional support to Israel's action in Gaza despite international pressure. So yeah, Indonesia has both close partnership and beef with every major power here.

2. 中国在南海问题上对我们有意见。欧盟在镍/棕榈油贸易争端中对我们有意见。美国是唯一一个不顾国际压力继续无条件支持以色列在加沙采取行动的西方国家。所以是的,印尼与这里的每一个大国既有密切的伙伴关系,也有过节。


Angcil
5小时前
We don't even have a nuclear weapon, best play it safe and don't act tough.

我们连核武器都没有,最好小心行事,不要逞强。


JAGzilla-ur3lh
12小时前(修改过)
International laws do not apply to the existing cases. The South China Sea was controlled by China from ancient times up to the present time. The Philippines never controlled the South China Sea in ancient times or the present. They stalled some lands from China in the South China Sea.

国际法不适用于现有的案件。从古代到现在,中国一直控制着南海。无论是古代还是现在,菲律宾都从未控制过南海。他们封锁了中国在南中国海的一些领土。


DK-ev9dg
14小时前
Chinese have been fishing and swimming in south China Sea for thousands of years. If you look at land profile of South China, all the sea is spread along the profile. Out of that 200 nautical miles belongs to other countries like Philippines, Malaysia, Vietnam and others, rest belongs to China. Hence it's name is SCS

中国人在南海捕鱼、游泳已有数千年的历史。纵观中国南海的陆地轮廓,所有的海域都沿着轮廓分布。其中 200 海里属于菲律宾、马来西亚、越南等其他国家,其余属于中国。因此,它被称为 “南中国海”。


Albertteng
12小时前
ownership of waters and moutnains and other natural features is not based on its name. If that is true then the indian ocean belongs to india.

水域、沼泽和其他自然景观的所有权并不取决于其名称。如果这是真的,那么印度洋就属于印度。


Didierduplantier
9小时前
Somehow, I don’t think China will be too happy if India was to do that.

如果印度这样做,我想中国不会太高兴。


Tampilhb
5小时前
This Indonesian lady professor simply talk straightforwardly and objectively.The ASEAN should take a strong and united stand against China incursion into its EEZs. Yet, rightful enough to assert China become a respecter of international laws and a responsible superpower.

这位印尼女教授说话简单直白、客观。 东盟应该采取强有力的统一立场,反对中国入侵其专属经济区。然而,中国应该成为一个尊重国际法和负责任的超级大国。


MochWardz
6小时前
If you want to be serious, Indonesians can place their positions anywhere. If you are serious, you will see the true qualities of Indonesian people.

如果你想认真对待,印尼人可以把自己的位置放在任何地方。只要你认真,你就会看到印尼人的真正品质。


Fwyoutube
7小时前
Don't mess with Indonesia, the big brother of ASEAN!

别惹印尼,东盟的老大哥!


Marhaenist
1小时前
but China is the biggest investors in Indonesia even more than USA and EU. Do you think China want to destroy their own valuables?

但中国是印尼最大的投资者,甚至超过了美国和欧盟。你认为中国想毁掉自己的贵重物品吗?


Hdvoice
9小时前
The lady said she doesn’t want to be a proxy in the hot war between the great powers. She is advocating just that. She is even proud to have Indonesia’s joint military expertise with the US. If the US is not a hegemonic power in this world, who is?

这位女士说,她不想成为大国热战的代理人,她就是这样主张的。她甚至还为印尼与美国共同拥有军事专业知识而感到自豪。如果美国不是这个世界上的霸权国家,那么谁是呢?
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