美国进一步制裁了向华为供应芯片的行为,美国会吸取教训吗?

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尽管华盛顿的严厉制裁基本上是为了终结中国的科技发展,但去年 8 月,华为发布了一款新手机 Mate 60 Pro,其采用的先进芯片被认为是中国半导体行业的一个突破,也是华为的一个巨大胜利,这一胜利比美国的预期提前了数年,令世界震惊。你会认为华盛顿会从自己的错误中吸取教训,想出新的策略,而不是迫使中国走上一条美国公司肯定会被排挤的道路。但是,他们没有。本周,华盛顿进一步制裁了向华为供应芯片的行为。美国实际上是在签署自己的死亡证书。

美国进一步制裁了向华为供应芯片的行为,美国会吸取教训吗?

美国进一步制裁了向华为供应芯片的行为,美国会吸取教训吗?

Birdyashiro
8小时前
The answer is NO, US will never learn.

答案是否定的,美国永远学不会。(网贴翻译来自音飞网)


Michaelgoh
8小时前
Sanctions don't kill Huawei but sanctions will hurt or bankrupt US chip manufacturers.

制裁杀不死华为,但制裁会让美国芯片制造商受伤或破产。


Rahulramteke
8小时前
According to a new report:Intel said on Wednesday its sales would take a hit after the U.S. revoked some of the chipmaker's export licenses for a customer in China, in a move Beijing complained was going too far in the name of national security.

据最新报道,英特尔周三表示,在美国撤销该芯片制造商对中国客户的部分出口许可后,该公司的销售额将受到冲击。北京方面抱怨此举以国家安全的名义走得太远。


Michaelhin
8小时前
The sanctions force Chinese companies to produce their own chips.So far they doing quite good at that.While the US chip producers rely on government grant to compensate of lost in China sales.Japan/taiwan/south Korea all already defied the sanctions and resume chip sales to China. And recoup sales from the US chip companies. They would be be most benefited from the sanctions.....

制裁迫使中国公司生产自己的芯片。到目前为止,他们在这方面做得很好。而美国芯片生产商则依靠政府拨款来弥补在中国的销售损失。日本、台湾和韩国都已不畏制裁,恢复了对华芯片销售。并从美国芯片公司那里收回销售额。他们将是制裁的最大受益者.....。


Yunko
8小时前
If you know this is a long game, then time is definitely on China side. When the restrictions and sanctions were first in place, they predicted that it will take decades for China to even make 14nm chips. Now, not only China is self-sufficient in these legacy chips, China is also making 7nm chips.  

如果你知道这是一场持久战,那么时间肯定站在中国一边。在限制和制裁刚开始实施时,他们预测中国甚至需要几十年才能生产出 14 纳米芯片。 现在,中国不仅在这些传统芯片上实现了自给自足,而且还在生产 7 纳米芯片。


As production increases, China will be exporting these legacy chips to the world which again will further erode sells from the west.The loss of the revenue in those legacy chips in the US will never come back.Furthermore, China is the largest chip market in the world.  What good does it do when you have no customers to buy?

随着产量的增加,中国将向全球出口这些传统芯片,这又将进一步侵蚀来自西方的销售。美国在这些传统芯片上的收入损失将一去不复返。此外,中国是全球最大的芯片市场。如果没有客户购买,那又有什么用呢?


Woodland
7小时前(修改过)
It is difficult to buy and use a Huawei phone (no Google apps) here in Australia, the U.S.'s puppy dog and so, when I have to upgrade recently, I switched over from a Samsung to an Oppo - which performs miles superior to the South Korean product. I would have still preferred a Huawei though.

在澳大利亚(美国的小狗)购买和使用华为手机(没有谷歌应用程序)很困难,因此,当我最近需要升级时,我从三星手机换成了 OPPO 手机--它的性能远远优于韩国产品。不过,我还是更喜欢华为。


Papiso
8小时前
Declining Empires on their way down are like a drowning man, clutching on straws..

衰落中的帝国就像一个溺水者,紧紧抓住救命稻草。


Tedbohne
8小时前
the US can't compete in any arena.......Or "like drowning rats" if you know what I mean.

美国无法在任何竞技场上竞争.......或者 “像溺水的老鼠一样”,如果你明白我的意思的话。


Nmew
8小时前
They can only compete in basket ball

他们只能参加篮球比赛!


MrRazrblade
7小时前
They used PROFESSIONAL basketballers to compete against amateurs in the 1992 games in the Barcelona Olympics and have the audacity to call themselves "The Dream Team". Not on any level playing field will Americans participate in, just to ensure that they "win".

在 1992 年巴塞罗那奥运会上,他们用专业篮球运动员与业余选手比赛,并厚颜无耻地自称为 “梦之队”。美国人不会参加任何公平的比赛,只是为了确保他们 “赢”。


Guillermojoa
8小时前
What do American politicians from Italian origins have against China? Maybe because Chinese food is better than Italian?

意大利裔美国政客对中国有什么不满?也许是因为中国菜比意大利菜好?


Kaiki
7小时前
For years the italians believed they invented spaghetti/noodles, but scientist found fossels of chinese noodles in the yellow river. Wait unit the italians realize that the chinese invented pizza too

多年来,意大利人一直认为意大利面条是他们发明的,但科学家在黄河里发现了中国面条的化石。等意大利人意识到披萨也是中国人发明的时,他们就会明白了。


Mistercut
8小时前
The US thinks it is decoupling with China, but its really China is leading the decouple with the US by many countries

美国认为自己正在与中国脱钩,但实际上中国正在引领许多国家与美国脱钩!


Phils
7小时前
The US might have Reserve Currency status on paper, however the reality is very much de-dollarisation, and once the majority of oil transactions occur outside the dollar, that's the end of the US.

美国可能在纸面上拥有储备货币地位,但现实情况是去美元化,一旦大部分石油交易在美元之外进行,那就是美国的末日。


Tomiputra
8小时前
I dont think so, even biden economic advisor cannot answer "if US can print $, then why they need to going in to a debt?"

我不这么认为,就连拜登的经济顾问也不能回答“如果美国能印美元,那他们为什么要负债?”


Balancedstatus
8小时前
The thing is they assume only they are capable of thinking and innovating

问题在于,他们认为只有自己才有能力思考和创新。


Epicsuper
7小时前
No. "American Evangelists sought to save the souls of....." OMG, this Powell buys into these kinds of BS. US helped China that time because it needed China on its side to against Soviet Union; just like today that US helps India because it needs India on its side to against China.

不,“美国福音派试图拯救......”。天哪,这个鲍威尔竟然相信这些胡说八道。美国当时帮助中国是因为它需要中国站在它一边对抗苏联;就像今天美国帮助印度是因为它需要印度站在它一边对抗中国一样。


Brianliew
8小时前
Intel stock price is a reflection of how well the sanction is working for American companies...

英特尔的股价反映了制裁对美国公司的影响。


Fannyalbi
6小时前(修改过)
TBH, Intel has it coming since they allowed AMD to cut the gap and Nvidia to take the AI market unchallenged.

说实话,英特尔是咎由自取,因为他们让 AMD 缩小了差距,让英伟达毫无挑战地占领了人工智能市场。


Zhengpinghu
8小时前
China and Huawei are so thankful of Raimondo for sanctioning American companies and helping Chinese companies expand their market shares.

中国和华为非常感谢雷蒙多制裁美国公司,帮助中国公司扩大市场份额。


Yuehanslam
8小时前
China should not waste a second more on the US - unless they seriously demonstrate their sincerity to dialogue on equal footing and work together for the betterment of both nations.

中国不应该在美国身上浪费更多的时间--除非他们认真地展示出平等对话的诚意,并为两国更好的发展而共同努力。


Gabrielhung
8小时前(修改过)
It's a problem of sunk cost fallacy - the USA invested in this policy so much hope that it's unable to change. If you invest in something all your hope and it fails you double down.

这是一个沉没成本谬误的问题——美国在这一政策上投入了如此多的希望,以至于它无法改变。如果你满怀希望地投资某件事,结果它失败了,你就会加倍。


Anonymous
8小时前
There's an old Chinese saying "one cut off ones toes to avoid the worms."

中国有句古话叫 “斩脚趾避沙虫”。一个人为了躲避虫子而斩掉脚趾。


Woodland
8小时前
isn't it "trim the foot to suit the shoes?"

不是 “削足适履”吗?


Rebym
8小时前
One can't help but notice that the US politicians/administration responsible for these actions, and others like them, are not among the brightest and best in the USA.  That it is not the USA itself that is broken, but rather the political process that leads to such people being appointed and being given so much responsibility.  Many of the brightest people in the world are Americans but they seemingly have little say in what their country does.

人们不禁会注意到,对这些行为以及类似行为负责的美国政客/政府并不是美国最聪明、最优秀的人。不是美国本身出了问题,而是政治程序导致这些人被任命并被赋予如此重大的责任。世界上许多最聪明的人都是美国人,但他们似乎对自己国家的所作所为没有什么发言权。


Altwoinchester
8小时前
The way I see it, the US reaction toward sanctions Huawei is actually what China want that to be.
1) China has a good reasons not to buy chips from US. So don't blame China for trade imbalance.
2) Let US chip maker 'fight' with their politicians. China didn't provoke. It is the situation made it happens.
3) China chip maker will flourish with huge market within China. It is the opportunity given by the US.Hmm...looks like US is falling into the trap...

在我看来,美国对华为制裁的反应其实是中国希望看到的。
1) 中国有充分的理由不从美国购买芯片。因此,不要把贸易不平衡归咎于中国。
2) 让美国芯片制造商与他们的政客 “斗争”,中国没有挑衅,这是形势使然。
3) 中国芯片制造商将在中国的巨大市场中蓬勃发展。这是美国给的机会。嗯......看来美国正落入陷阱......


Victorbaptista
8小时前
It is appalling that we want to stop innovation, progress and advancement of science just because we can not keep up with a better , more capable and smarter competitor. This is like a donkey trying to intimidate an Arabian horse to get behind him because he can not keep up with him.

仅仅因为我们跟不上一个更好、更有能力、更聪明的竞争对手,我们就想停止创新、进步和科学进步,这是令人震惊的。这就像一头驴试图恐吓阿拉伯马,让它跟在它后面,因为它跟不上它。


Charlesyang
8小时前
An ancient proven still holds today “Success requires friends, yet great success requires enemy”. Interpretating Western sanction in this kind of way explains why Russia gain momentum to develop their own global financial and trading system, and also regain their manufacturing prowess. This same is true for China in terms of semiconductor chips, Huawei smart phone Mate 60 pro announced at the same date when US secretary of DOC, Gina Ramando, paid her China to visit is just another vivid example of the sanction boomerang.

“成功需要朋友,但伟大的成功需要敌人”这句古老的格言至今仍然适用。以这种方式解读西方的制裁,可以解释为什么俄罗斯获得了发展自己的全球金融和贸易体系的动力,并重新获得了制造业实力。在半导体芯片方面,中国也是如此。在美国商务部部长吉娜·拉曼多访华的同一天,华为发布了Mate 60 pro智能手机,这只是制裁自讨苦的又一个生动例子。


Davids
8小时前
What fools they are! After 33 years in the US having edit in 2010, I now see a once successful country is now vecoming a loser in a world the US in part created.  It is hard for me to watch a once exciting and innovative country unravel and all of it of their own doing..

他们真是傻瓜!我在美国待了33年,2010年回国后,我发现这个曾经成功的国家如今在美国一手缔造的世界中沦为失败者。我很难看到一个曾经令人兴奋和创新的国家分崩离析,这一切都是他们自己造成的。


SteveBurg
1小时前
America's reaction to China's progress is entirely emotional at this point. It is rather sad and will prove to be self-defeating in the long term.

在这一点上,美国对中国进步的反应完全是情绪化的。这是相当可悲的,从长远来看将证明是自取灭亡。


Abqmalenurse
7小时前
In the 1980's US sanctions against the USSR led to failure of American farms. You may recall Farm Aid. Later, Russia developed their agricultural output to become the largest global grain producer. Same with oil and gas.

20 世纪 80 年代,美国对苏联的制裁导致美国农场倒闭。您可能还记得农场援助吗?后来,俄罗斯发展农业生产,成为全球最大的谷物生产国。石油和天然气也是如此。


Jal051
6小时前(修改过)
There's still a huge difference between USSR and China. The USSR had a non functional communist economy while China has an incredibly successful capitalist economy. The strategy of suffocating the USSR economy worked eventually, it won't work against China.

苏联和中国还是有很大区别的。苏联的共产主义经济无法发挥作用,而中国的资本主义经济却非常成功。窒息苏联经济的战略最终奏效了,但对中国却行不通。


Kaiki
6小时前
As long as the oligarchs are in control, nothing will change

只要寡头还在控制,一切都不会改变!


Chailatecookies
4小时前(修改过)
The United States of sanctions will not be able to stop the economic growth of China as they’re working tirelessly towards achieving their goals. If they have focused on their own internal affairs instead of obsessing over causing chaos in other parts of the world.

制裁美国无法阻止中国的经济增长,因为他们正在为实现自己的目标而不懈努力。如果他们能专注于自己的内部事务,而不是执着于在世界其他地区制造混乱,那么中国的经济增长就不会受到影响。


Hydrohasspoken
7小时前
what the US won't admit is that, aside from its own tech industry's inability to catch-up/compete with Huawei's innovations and progress, the US is leery of the american workforce finding out about Huawei's business model of sharing ownership/profit of the company with its employees and pushing for the same in this society of oligarchs [where profits are reap mainly by the 1%].

美国不愿承认的是,除了本国科技产业无力追赶/竞争华为的创新和进步之外,美国还害怕美国劳动力发现华为与员工分享公司所有权/利润的商业模式,并在这个寡头社会(利润主要由 1%的人获取)推动同样的做法。
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