东盟能否超越并成为新欧洲?

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我们将探讨东南亚国家联盟(ASEAN)成为全球舞台上新欧洲的迷人前景。随着中国经济实力的持续飙升,东盟作为一个地区集团的重要性也在稳步增长。通过经济学家的见解和对亚洲增长的预测,我们探讨了东盟是否有潜力在 2050 年超越欧盟,成为全球第四大经济体。在探讨该地区有利的人口结构和年轻劳动力的同时,我们也在思考一个问题:未来是否真的在亚洲?

东盟能否超越并成为新欧洲?

东盟能否超越并成为新欧洲?

KhoirulAnam
8小时前
ASEAN people don't need to be superpowers and greedy, we just want to live comfortably and peacefully

东盟人民不需要成为超级大国,不需要贪婪,我们只想过舒适和平的生活。(网贴翻译来自音飞网)


Divinedragon
8小时前
I agree that ASEAN needs to live together peacefully, but still pitfalls facing Geographical competition between the two superpowers US and China.

我同意东盟需要和平共处,但面对美国和中国这两个超级大国之间的地缘竞争,仍然存在隐患。


KSmifune
1小时前
I still think we need a strong military ties to prevent other members swinging to other superpowers. Vietnam and Philippines for example lean more on USA currently in military because ASEAN doesn't provide security. I hope someday we can have a strong security pillar so that the ASEAN bloc would be more resilient to cold wars between superpowers.

我仍然认为我们需要强有力的军事联系,以防止其他成员向其他超级大国摇摆。例如,越南和菲律宾目前在军事上更依赖美国,因为东盟没有提供安全保障。我希望有一天我们能有一个强大的安全支柱,这样东盟集团在超级大国之间的冷战中会更有弹性。


Binjbinj
9小时前
People needs to stop comparing ASEAN with EU. ASEAN has their own ways of becoming a superpower without being compared to the EU. ASEAN isn't EU period!

人们需要停止将东盟与欧盟相提并论,东盟有自己的方式成为超级大国,无需与欧盟相提并论。东盟不是欧盟!


Mythbusterthe
9小时前
ASEAN will NEVER be a superpower for one. Maybe a successful trading bloc.

东盟永远不会成为一个超级大国,也许只是一个成功的贸易集团。


Alanssshh
9小时前
Europe literally occupied by American soldiers. American forbid Europe to surpass it. most Asian countries not occupied. that's big difference.

欧洲实际上被美国士兵占领了,美国禁止欧洲超越它,大多数亚洲国家没有被占领。这是很大的不同。


Mythbusterthe
9小时前
And it should be kept that way….Federated states whether they be Asian or African, as is being proposed by some for Africa, would be a tragic mistake going by how the US federal government has gradually usurped and hollowed out its states’ powers….

应该保持这种状态....根据美国联邦政府逐步篡夺和掏空各州权力的情况来看,无论是亚洲还是非洲的联邦制国家,都将是一个悲剧性的错误....


Tenuksdnbhd
9小时前
ASEAN can't become another EU. It should stay the way it is. Otherwise, it will interfere with each member nation's sovereignty and could lead to regional conflicts. SEA is a lot more diverse than the EU. Trying to force every single nation and every single ethnicity within it to conform to one particular standard or thing might lead to discord and riot.

东盟不能成为另一个欧盟,它应该保持原样。否则,它将干涉每个成员国的主权,并可能导致地区冲突。东南亚比欧盟更加多样化。试图强迫其中的每一个国家和每一个民族都遵守某种特定的标准或事情,可能会导致不和谐和骚乱。


Iskotayo
9小时前
So your suggesting that Europe should always dominant the world?

所以你的意思是欧洲应该永远主宰世界?


Spikespicege
9小时前
Become EU in economic terms, like a global economic power house. Not the other way round.

在经济方面成为欧盟,就像一个全球经济强国。而不是相反。


Binjbinj
9小时前
ASEAN has their own ways of being superpowers and at the same time building up peace and security.You cannot have peaceful life without stronger will and powers to protect your regions from outside forces who seek to destroyed peace.

东盟有自己的超级大国之路,同时也有维护和平与安全之路。如果没有更强大的意志和力量来保护你们的地区不受试图破坏和平的外部势力的侵害,你们就不可能拥有和平的生活。


Syedputra
9小时前
Asean should dump the dollar as reserve currency and create their own reserve currency while maintaining their own respective currency.

东盟应该抛弃美元作为储备货币,在维持各自货币的同时创造自己的储备货币。


Syedputra
9小时前
or they can easily peg their currencies to one another so if one falls, all fall, one rise, all rise.

或者他们可以很容易地将本国货币与另一种货币挂钩,所以如果一种货币贬值,所有货币都贬值,一种货币升值,所有货币都升值。


Ct9245
9小时前
There should be some form of judge and policing if things went wrong , hence Asean Parliamentary is the only logical way to go.

如果出了问题,应该有某种形式的法官和监管,因此东盟议会是唯一合乎逻辑的方式。


Dellcruz
9小时前
no visa for ASEAN countries.

意思是...... 东盟国家不需要签证。


Abrondo
9小时前(修改过)
means eventually that a Malaysian accountant can practice in Vietnam , a Singapore doctor can practice in Thailand , a Philippines professional engineer can practice in Indonesia, a Thailand architect can practice in Brunei. They kept at the professional level with Asean practice certification.There are so many poor people in various Asean nations , open border policy is not practical in this stage , they will flood the developed cities and sleep under the car bridges , perhaps 200 years later.

意思是马来西亚的会计师可以在越南执业,新加坡的医生可以在泰国执业,菲律宾的专业工程师可以在印度尼西亚执业,泰国的建筑师可以在文莱执业。通过亚细安执业认证,他们可以保持专业水平。东盟各国有那么多穷人,开放边境政策在现阶段并不现实,他们会涌入发达城市,睡在汽车或桥下,也许是 200 年以后。


Ungtototor
8小时前
ASEAN and EU can be compared without necessarily having to become identical. Asean is already founded on different principle that govern the relations among members where each get to maintenant autonomy on how each country is governed.

东盟和欧盟可以进行比较,但不一定要完全相同。东盟已经建立在不同的原则之上,这些原则指导着各成员国之间的关系,各成员国在如何管理自己的国家方面享有永久的自主权。


The EU has been leaning for decades toward integration, hence the the creation of EU level governement bodies and single currency. That is not the only path to become a supranational economic power house. There is an infinite way to generate economic growth and ASEAN is showing one of their own

欧盟几十年来一直倾向于一体化,因此建立了欧盟一级的管理机构和单一货币。这并不是成为超国家经济强国的唯一途径。经济增长有无限的途径,而东盟正在展示他们自己的途径。


Choonkeonglim
8小时前
As of now ASEAN still has a long way to go. ASEAN bosses seldom consider employee welfare. Heck Asean parents all hope their kids to work in Western MNC firms as they have better employee benefits, better pay and better career progression.

目前,东盟还有很长的路要走,东盟的老板们很少考虑员工福利。糟糕的是,东盟的父母都希望自己的孩子在西方跨国公司工作,因为那里有更好的员工福利、更高的薪酬和更好的职业发展。


DarkMeyer
9小时前(修改过)
Do not degrade ASEAN as Europe, ASEAN is ASEAN and forever ASEAN and do not associate ASEAN as Europe.ASEAN is a unique place where different cultures, religion & languages live in great harmony without major conflict and all striving for prosperity.Europe used to be "good" but now becomes so dirty and poor with snobbish people who thinks they are still the best continent in the world.

不要把东盟贬低为欧洲,东盟就是东盟,永远是东盟,不要把东盟与欧洲联系在一起。东盟是一个独特的地方,不同的文化、宗教和语言在这里和谐共处,没有大的冲突,大家都在为繁荣而努力。欧洲曾经是 “好”的,但现在变得如此肮脏和贫穷,势利的人们认为他们仍然是世界上最好的大陆。


Tonyyong
9小时前
Keep ASEAN as it is. We are not Anglo-Saxon. Asian have its unique way of life.

保持东盟的现状,我们不是盎格鲁-撒克逊人,亚洲有其独特的生活方式。


Nowheremix
8小时前
Asean does not have the greedy colonizing attitude of EU. Asean countries just want to live peacefully and in prosperity with each other and with the rest of the world.

东盟没有欧盟那种贪婪的殖民态度,东盟国家只希望彼此间以及与世界其他国家和平共处,共同繁荣。


Epitaciojrv
5小时前
To fellow ASEAN please help Philippines against US hemogeny.

东盟同胞们,请帮助菲律宾抵御美国的血腥屠杀。


Hdrsiy
9小时前
Europe problem is lack of natural resource, while ASEAN especially Indonesia will become a major player EV battery

欧洲的问题是缺乏自然资源,而东盟尤其是印度尼西亚将成为电动汽车电池的主要参与者!


VTrucker
7小时前
And Europe is also afraid of Indonesian palm oil, even aviation fuel (aircraft fuel) can be made from palm oil. ..!! They are very afraid of energy sources in Indonesia, and they attack them using environmental issues...This would be a different story if palm oil grew in Europe. .

欧洲也害怕印尼的棕榈油,甚至航空燃料(飞机燃料)也可以用棕榈油制造!他们非常害怕印尼的能源,并利用环境问题对其进行攻击......如果棕榈油生长在欧洲,情况就不一样了。.


CherasKLproperty
9小时前
Indonesia with it's 200mil population and vast lands , it have the ability to lead the grow of ASEAN economy.

印尼拥有 2 亿人口和广袤的土地,有能力引领东盟经济的发展。


Cjherand
7小时前(修改过)
Big difference is... No WAR between ASEAN countries compared to European nations. Well.... Just territorial disputes vs.China who isn't in ASEAN

最大的不同是... 与欧洲国家相比,东盟国家之间没有战争.... 只有与中国的领土争端,而中国并不在东盟内。


Leapdrive
9小时前
I’d say ASEAN should limit its trade with China until it stops bullying its neighbors, allow free flowing water to the rivers of Laos and Vietnam and behave like a civilized nation.

我认为东盟应该限制与中国的贸易,直到中国停止欺负邻国,允许老挝和越南的河流自由流动,表现得像一个文明国家。


Mythbusterthe
9小时前
When that happened, ASEAN trade volume will fall like a rock. Don't be stupid. Who is your biggest trade partners?

一旦发生这种情况,东盟的贸易额将一落千丈,别傻了。您最大的贸易伙伴是谁?


Keithng
9小时前
trading is to everyone's interest. the prosperity of asean is closely tighted to the prosperity to china whether or not we like it.as of now, China is by far the largest trading partner with ALL 10 member states. any attempt at protectionism at this moment would only end in disaster for us (I can't speak for China).

贸易符合每个人的利益。无论我们是否愿意,东盟的繁荣与中国的繁荣息息相关。目前,中国是东盟所有 10 个成员国最大的贸易伙伴。此时此刻,任何保护主义的企图都只会给我们带来灾难(我不能代表中国)。


Indonesian
9小时前
China has equity stakes in Indonesian mining through partnerships with local entrepreneurs. Meanwhile, Tesla is not fond of joint business ventures with Indonesian local entrepreneurs. Consequently, Tesla has not established a factory in Indonesia to support its development. This is indeed a fact.

中国通过与当地企业家合作,入股印尼矿业。与此同时,特斯拉并不喜欢与印尼当地企业家合资经营。因此,特斯拉没有在印尼建立工厂来支持其发展。这确实是一个事实。


According to data, EU and US investors primarily flow into Vietnam because they can retain 100% ownership of their investments there. In Indonesia, investors are required to collaborate with local entrepreneurs with a stake of more than 51% for the local entrepreneur.

数据显示,欧盟和美国投资者主要流入越南,因为他们可以保留在当地投资的100%所有权。而在印尼,投资者必须与当地企业家合作,当地企业家必须持有 51% 以上的股份。


Leapdrive
9小时前
U forgetting which country is the driving force behind Aaia. Without China. ASEAN just a shell. Also. Water is in China's territory. China can do whatever they want. U don't think the electricity it produces that Vietnam and Loas will be beneficial to both nations. Both nations lack electricity. Watch China will build a dam in Tibet in the Himalayas very soon. Guess India will be crying. That's my water. No, it's in China.

你忘了哪个国家才是亚洲背后的推动力,没有中国,东盟只是一个空壳。另外,水在中国领土内,中国可以做任何他们想做的事。你不认为越南和老挝生产的电力对两国都有好处,两国都缺电。看着吧,中国很快就会在喜马拉雅山脉的西藏修建大坝。估计印度要哭了。那是我的水,不,那是中国的水。


SpruceWood
9小时前
You are indeed childish, ASEAN's economy is deeply bound to China. Without China, Vietnam could not even read its own history (all important information in Vietnam before 1910 was recorded in Chinese).

你确实太幼稚了,东盟的经济与中国有着千丝万缕的联系。没有中国,越南连自己的历史都看不懂(1910 年以前越南的所有重要信息都是用中文记录的)。


Saisirvous
9小时前
ASEAN is not ur own tool to fight against China. We sit together for our prosperity. Not for ur own ambitions.

东盟不是我们对抗中国的工具,我们坐在一起是为了我们的繁荣,而不是为了自己的野心。


Minasentinel
8小时前
ASEAN needs and always trade with China, this already happen since ancient time. Nothing wrong doing trade with China.

东盟需要并始终与中国开展贸易,这自古以来就有。与中国开展贸易无可厚非。


Stephenlee
9小时前(修改过)
Japan already proposed a place in their southern island city as a special free trade zone to house the old HK as the global financial center.

日本已经提议在其南部岛屿城市划出一块地方,作为一个特别自由贸易区,以容纳作为全球金融中心的旧香港。


Faustinuskaryadi
8小时前(修改过)
I think we already have New Hongkong in SEA, it's called Singapore.

我想我们在东南亚已经有新香港了,它叫新加坡。


Vivisari
8小时前
HK won’t have its success without being the back door of China market. It’s laughable to think you can just create a HK. Most importantly, there are tons of HK people moving into mainland China. Maybe in your head, it’s better to have British Anglos to rule them like second class citizens than being independent Chinese people

如果没有中国市场的后门,香港就不会成功。认为可以随便创建一个香港是可笑的。最重要的是,有大量香港人移居中国大陆。也许在你的脑海里,让英国盎格鲁人像二等公民一样统治他们,比成为独立的中国人要好。
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